Nesrin Sen Interview
part 1/2
by Ingvar Loco Nordin at Sonoloco


Nesrin Sen
photo: ingvar loco nordin

I meet up with Nesrin Sen at Mariatorget subway station in Stockholm, Sweden, to do this interview, and we scurry along the streets in the cold of a February evening, past the lights in storefront windows at closing time, slipping and sliding over the sidewalk ice, trying to find a suitable coffee shop. Finally Nesrin spots a small café below street level, and we walk down a short flight of stairs and enter the warmth of inside, which dims my glasses.
It proved to be a perfect place. It was just luck, because neither of us had ever been there before. In the back there was a room obviously prepared for families with small kids, but it was empty and secluded, and we had it all to ourselves for most of the time.

We got out of our winter jackets and slid down at a table where I set up the microphone and headed into the conversation.

Before our rendezvous I had listened attentively to Nesrin Sen’s second and latest CD, just out from the printer’s, as I rode the train from my town up to Stockholm; an hour’s ride. She had sent it to me some weeks before, after she’d found the
Sonoloco site on a CD with useful ventures for musicians.

I seldom write about music outside of the art music scene, but that is not because I’m personally stuck with art music, but because
Sonoloco Record Reviews has come to be regarded as a primarily New Music site, for experimental and avant-garde music, which is why I get so much music of that kind in the mail to Sonoloco. My interests are much wider than that, though, so Nesrin Sen easily fits right in, as did Quiet Hollow a few years back – but I believe Quiet Hollow and Nesrin Sen are the only such entries from a scene outside of the contemporary or semi-contemporary art music scene that I have been fortunate to write about, except for some downright folk music records by Sofia Karlsson and Eva Tjörnebo.

Nesrin Sen’s two CDs are reviewed elsewhere at
Sonoloco.

We head right into some bio notes. Nesrin was born and raised in Stockholm, Sweden, though her name indicates a more varied inheritance (It doesn’t sound Swedish at all). Nesrin tells me that her parents came to Sweden from Turkey, and yes, Nesrin’s name sounds down home Turkish! Her parents lived in Izmir. Nesrin explains that her mother is partly Albanian too.


Does that inheritance mean anything for what you’re doing art wise, culturally – either in a concrete manner or like some kind of background radiation?


I wouldn’t say so… It is, of course, hard to tell exactly what inspires you, but I believe that the way I describe nature in my songs, with the ocean and so forth may rely some on my Turkish inheritance. Both Sweden and Turkey have beautiful nature, so… I think the influence in that case might come mostly from nature.



Nesrin Sen: Portrait

I understand you have learned Turkish?


Yes, right!


That’s a little unusual, for people born here in Sweden to learn the language of their parents, I mean, really learn it well. You have learned it so well that you can work as an interpreter.


I have struggled pretty much with it, of my own free will. Primarily I wanted to learn Swedish well, so when I was little I spoke mostly Swedish. When I grew up I went a lot to Turkey on vacations, talking with relatives there and so on, so the Turkish language also became familiar to me. Later I have cultivated this, really driving home a lot of words – so I can work as a Swedish-Turkish, Turkish-Swedish interpreter.
I love languages. It’s the same with English. I’m thinking about interpreting English too, after a while. However, in the case of me learning Turkish, it had to come natural. You can’t force anyone to learn a language if they don’t want.


I asked you once – in an email – if you had heard Selda, who is a quite well known Turkish singer of the old school, but you didn’t, so you haven’t been particularly influenced by traditional or popular Turkish music, I take it?.


Not consciously, anyway. I listen, for the most part, to American music: Tori Amos, Coldplay, The Cure - stuff like that. That’s where I got mostly influenced, I’d say; not from Sweden either. I like it this way, being neutral, so to say, neither Turkish nor Swedish in my music.



Nesrin Sen: b1

Taking pictures of Nesrin I remark that she looks kind, which also causes me to ask how come she has two songs on her new CD about killing people off. She laughs and blurts out:


Thing is, that at the end of the lyrics I state that if people could understand how good this world could be, they’d also understand that we have to take care of each other and look out for one another, and not be mean and kill each other.


I think, though, that you’re the first person I’ve met who can sing “you son of a bitch, I hope that you die”, and make it sound sensual!


Well, that song is very interesting. I had a truly interesting teacher. He was psychopath. That song is about him, in fact. He did all kinds of things to a whole lot of poor girls. He was that kind of person that forces himself on you, that attaches himself to you; a nasty type of person. This guy had relations with pupils. He wasn’t a good guy!

The song deals with this angel/devil thing; you know, everybody has a little angel and a little devil, and we walk a razor’s edge – and who hasn’t been let down by a close friend? People recognize themselves in this song. The song is straightforward, honest. Nothing is hidden. However, my kids – if I get some in the future - will not be allowed to hear it!

Look, I mean well! I want there to be peace; the world is beautiful if we can take care of the fine things that exist.
There are a lot of contrasts, hither and thither, in my songs.


Seems to me you’re in some kind of singer-songwriter tradition. I’ve been thinking about the American influences, new and old, like Essra Mohawk, who doesn’t sound like you but has an atmosphere in common with you; an aura, even without the words. I remember a singer called Melanie in the 60s, for example, whom you also remind me of, slightly.


One of the advantages of having my own recording company is that I can produce and say anything I wish in my texts and be completely honest. I don’t have to sing love songs all the time! I can sing things that in fact mean something; that can challenge people’s emotions and thoughts, without me personally heading out to murder someone! I’m telling you how it looks, kind of, and that I don’t think it should be this way!



Nesrin Sen
photo: ingvar loco nordin

I was impressed when I understood that you run your own production company; Nesrin Productions. How did you get to that point? How did you go about it?


I had this dream of recording my own album and producing it myself, to get it precisely the way I want it. I have involved myself a lot with computers and sound etcetera, and I felt I didn’t want someone else to decide where to make a cut or decide that a particular chorus isn’t suitable or that certain words aren’t fitting and that kind of stuff, which will happen if you record with another record company.
I also had the artistic urge to produce the CD myself, to create the sound and all, and I’m very assured; I know exactly how I want it to be, so it’s not fun to just let someone else take over! I’ve worked hard, hehe!

I simply registered a record company, as a private venture, and I’ve run it on the side, while studying and working with other things.


But what about distribution? How do you manage that?


That is harder, but luckily we have the Internet! People can find me and buy the CDs, without a regular distribution. [A quick Internet search has Nesrin show up at a number of major sellers, like CD Baby, Tower Records and, for example, Amazon]

It’s fun to observe the purchases taking place in
Holland, the USA, France, Turkey and so on, even though most of the albums are sold in Sweden.
Even if I don’t sell millions of records, it’s a big deal to realize that one person bought the CD there, and then another one there and so forth, and now one in
Denmark too, hehe, and two there and three there, in that town! It’s exciting!

I’m also trying to get a formal distribution. I’m trying to interest some distributors, so we’ll see if something transpires. Otherwise it works anyway. The sales are good, amongst friends and friends of friends, for one thing, and at concerts.
The sales cover my production costs. I get the money back. That is ok with me. It’s better to spend my money on this than on smoking and destroying the environment and dying ten years ahead of my time.

The productions costs for me to produce one CD is about 60 000 Swedish crowns
[about ¤6400 or $7600]. I don’t complain. I’m just happy if I can do the things I want, and I’m even happier if people can share that, and then I get to be a happy person!
They mean so much to me, the people that love the records and wait for them to be released.



Nesrin Sen: View

Let’s talk about education. What have you done?


I began studying art in senior high. I took classical singing simultaneously. Then I was accepted at the Music Institute of the Culture School - I’m not sure what they call the place now – and studied there for three years, adding jazz to my classical singing, as well as classical guitar, music and computers; the whole lot.

Simultaneously I worked as a pre-school teacher, at an English pre-school in
Stockholm.
I then went on to web design to be able to handle the marketing of my music. I learned the production of printed matter. I made the cover and leaflet of my latest CD, which I’m proud of. It’s my first completely independent graphic production, from the cover art to the smallest technical detail. There’s never any problem with the art part: it’s the technical side I have to work with, hehe!

Furthermore, I’ve studied to become an interpreter. That is the latest. This means that I have several educations. I enjoy improving myself and developing further, shaping things, being creative.
Right now I’m working mostly as an interpreter and of course with my own company,
Nesrin Productions, you know, marketing the products, managing the concerts etcetera.


Are there any gigs up ahead?


Right now I’m expecting some replies, and I think there will be concerts in the vicinity in the not so distant future. If I’m lucky I may get to perform at the Jazz Festival of Istanbul in the summer of 2006. That would be super! You get all the marketing done for you, so I wouldn’t have to work with that side of it. It’s tough to sell yourself. That is the boring part of being an artist, calculating costs and so on.


But you’re marketing yourself right now!


Yeah, I know, that’s what I’m doing, haha! But it works fine, I learn!

The last time I played was at
the Culture House in Stockholm, at the Kilen stage. It was a success; many came and never wanted to leave! It’s a nice place. The sound is already in place, and the lighting is fixed ahead of time.

It’s funny, if you’re a woman and make a murderer song, it comes out even more extreme in the public eye. However, in films; how much violence is there in films! That violence usually has no aim either, no function – but I only mean well, and I think many people will misinterpret that song – “
Called the Murderer Song” – if they don’t listen thoroughly to the text. Songs are supposed to be so pretty and nice all the time, but that’s not the look of reality! I’m sorry!
It feels good for me to be able to explain this!

My interpreter job feels fine. I get to learn things I would not usually hit upon, laws court proceedings and all kinds of things. I might start working as a telephone interpreter too.



Nesrin Sen
photo: ingvar loco nordin

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